Blog powered by Typepad

Powered by Rollyo

« Beijing To Tibet: "The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves" | Main | "Taiwan Region" Does Not Compute »


For when that Taiwan News editorial disappears behind their paywall, here's a TinyURL of a cached link that *should* continue to work:

Thanks, Tim.

You're normally very sensible. Here you've got it completely backwards.

If there's any parallel, it would be:

S. Ossetia = ROC/Taiwan

Georgia = Commie China

Russia = the US

Ossetians are not Georgian. Ossetia was given to Georgia by the Georgian Stalin. Ossetians have been defacto independent for almost two decades.

In fact, Russia has more interest in S. Ossetia than the US does in Taiwan, Israel, Iraq...

N. Ossetia is already part of Russia. All Ossetians speak Russian. Few speak Georgian. And anyway, it was the Georgians who begged to be part of the Russian Empire 200 years ago to protect them from the Turks and Persians.

The Georgians repaid the Russians by inflicting Stalin on them.

Get your history straight.

One last point.

Commie China supports Georgia re S. Ossetia & Abkhazia.

Re: Your 10:14 pm comment

For the S.Ossetia = Taiwan analogy to hold, Taiwan could not be a democracy (since S. Ossetia isn't).

Taiwan's president would have to be a former paid CIA agent.

The U.S.A. would have to start unilaterally handing out U.S. passports to Taiwanese citizens.

Taiwan's president (the former paid American agent) would have to expel Mainlanders back to China.

Taiwan would have to start shelling China from Kinmen and Matsu in violation of the truce that was written up in the late '50s.
Now, I may be a moderate supporter of Taiwanese independence, but if Taiwan were to try to become a 51st state of the U.S. under those conditions, I would be the first to say that the Taiwanese government was going about it the wrong way.

Re: Your 2:53 pm comment

I don't claim to be an expert on Georgian history, but it doesn't sound to me like the Georgians begged to be part of the Russian Empire. Rather, they asked to be part of a military alliance that would defend them from the Persians and Turks -- after which, the Russians double-crossed them by slowly whittling away Georgian sovereignty over the next 120 years, until there was nothing left. Which of course is a fate quite similar to what Taiwan might experience if it also embraces China too closely.

(As for the Georgians inflicting Stalin on the Russians, it was Stalin and the Bolsheviks who did THAT, not the country of Georgia. I no more hold the entire country of Georgia responsible for Stalin any more than I blame Austria for Hitler. Now, if the Georgians had conquered Russia and installed Stalin at the top, then of course, that would be different. That's not what happened, however.)

Re: Your 2:56 pm comment

Chinese support of Georgia was lukewarm, at best. Which only goes to show that even a stopped watch is right twice a day.

It was democratic America, democratic Europe, and the democratic former nations of the Soviet Bloc that expressed the greatest support for Georgia.

When I see the Red Army -- er, Russian Army -- gobbling up the territories of Russia's neighbors, alarm bells go off. You will never see ME offering support and encouraging them to go even further in that direction.


The Foreigner

Incidentally, this really was one of those hard cases that pits two principles against each other. According to the principle of self-determination, the S.Ossetians should have the right to secede and gain their independence or join Russia.

But according to the principle of defensibility, they shouldn't be allowed to join Russia. Because doing so leaves Georgia wide open to attack from Russia.

The situation surrounding the Sudetenland was precisely the same. The Sudeten Germans wanted to join Germany, and according to the principle of self-determination, they should have been allowed to do so.

But when the Sudetenland joined Germany, Czechoslovakia was stripped of the mountainous barrier that protected it from Nazi invasion. And the rest of Czechoslovaki was invaded a mere one year later.

Re: "the Red Army -- er, Russian Army"

I guess by your logic Taiwan is Chiang Kai-shek's territory.

Do you also like eating ties?

No, I wouldn't really say Taiwan is Chiang Kai-shek's territory. (Although if you've been following the deteriorating human rights situation in Taiwan, it's tempting to say say the country is regressing towards Chiang Ching-kuo territory once again.)

As for Russia, it's got a former KGB man at the helm (we can safely ignore the empty suit warming the seat of the presidency). A former KGB man who thinks the fall of the Soviet Union was one of the greatest geo-political tragedies ever. A former KGB man who sends his security services abroad to poison his enemies with dioxin or polonium. A former KGB man who is busy at work re-centralizing Russia's political and economic system.

So yes, there are similarities.

(Now, if you want to say modern Russia more closely resembles Tsarist Russia, I'll not argue.)

The comments to this entry are closed.